Question About Ascending? - Guild Wars Forums

Sbadboy85 · Sep 28, 2005, 01:29 AM // 01:29

When u ascend i know u go to 20 no matter what lvl u are but lets say your a lvl 1 your go to lvl 20 but will u get 20 skill points for going to 20?

Wolvenbear · Sep 28, 2005, 01:51 AM // 01:51

When you beat the doppleganger you get 50,000 exp as a mission reward. Most of the time this is enough for anyone not already lvl 20 to reach lvl 20. And yes, you'll get all the attribute/skill points for those levels.

....and no I really don't think a level 1-10 (even with Drok's armor) would survive. The dopple hits pretty hard.

Mavrik · Sep 28, 2005, 01:58 AM // 01:58

The dopple is your mirror, he uses what you use... I think (only beat him once) that he is at your lv to with the same states... I could be wrong. But yeah... most people are lv 15-18 by the time they hit the desert already though I do see (and was myself) lv 20 a bit to. And since 15000 exp is all thats needed to get a skill point after lv 20, thats 3 skill points for beating your mirror.

Beramee · Sep 28, 2005, 02:10 AM // 02:10

On my 4th char, I beat the dopple at lvl 10.. was hard but i did it, and he is lvl 20.. with same skills.

you get 50,000 exp.. so I only went to lvl 16 :P

ttujc · Sep 28, 2005, 02:15 AM // 02:15

yeah, the only thing he mirrors is your skills. a lvl 1 would die in a single hit tho...

Claymore · Sep 28, 2005, 01:44 PM // 13:44

Yes he only mirrors your skills, he uses a bow for ranged attacks and usually a axe for melee, not really a mirror of your char more of a mirror of skills.

boxterduke · Sep 28, 2005, 06:18 PM // 18:18

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Originally Posted by Sbadboy85

When u ascend i know u go to 20 no matter what lvl u are but lets say your a lvl 1 your go to lvl 20 but will u get 20 skill points for going to 20?

They changed this ages ago, you do not go to 20 anymore. You get 50k xp

sledgeunderhill · Sep 28, 2005, 06:25 PM // 18:25

Additionally, as far as I can tell, the mirror somehow has enough attribute points to support full damage with a bow and with an axe, as well as a mimic of your own attribute point distribution.

Not really a mirror IMHO.

The New Guy · Sep 28, 2005, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

They changed this ages ago, you do not go to 20 anymore. You get 50k xp

This is true. They did this so people who are being run there will stop getting to level 20 from lvl 1-14.

But I think it was lastweek when I saw a lvl 2 in the dessert...I mean don't you need a really really good runner for that?? And lvl 2??? don't you have to do the mission and don't you get 1000xp for every mission?? how is this possible??? lol can anyone explain this?

melbo · Sep 28, 2005, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by The New Guy

This is true. They did this so people who are being run there will stop getting to level 20 from lvl 1-14.

But I think it was lastweek when I saw a lvl 2 in the dessert...I mean don't you need a really really good runner for that?? And lvl 2??? don't you have to do the mission and don't you get 1000xp for every mission?? how is this possible??? lol can anyone explain this?

Maybe he didn't do the missions yet

The New Guy · Sep 28, 2005, 07:06 PM // 19:06

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Originally Posted by melbo

Maybe he didn't do the missions yet

No I'm not talking about the missions in the dessert....but yea, he probably just did Sanctum Cay to get to the dessert.

melbo · Sep 28, 2005, 07:40 PM // 19:40

Oh, I forgot about the searing mission...good question!

Shattered Self · Sep 28, 2005, 08:12 PM // 20:12

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Originally Posted by sledgeunderhill

Additionally, as far as I can tell, the mirror somehow has enough attribute points to support full damage with a bow and with an axe, as well as a mimic of your own attribute point distribution.

Not really a mirror IMHO.

Doppleganger has 15 in every attribute you have access to, plus Axe Mastery and Marksmanship.

Shattered Self · Sep 28, 2005, 08:27 PM // 20:27

Actually, a necromancer could probably beat their doppelganger at fairly low levels if they stocked up on useless life sacrifice skills on the way there, especially if the mirror opens with Awaken the Blood & Demonic Flesh.

A good lineup would be:

Awaken the Blood
Demonic Flesh
Dark Aura
Dark Fury*
Offering of Blood*
Enfeebling Blood
Malaise

*skills that are difficult to acquire before fighting your mirror

User Name · Sep 28, 2005, 08:40 PM // 20:40

the doppelganger is not your mirror, he is your shadow.

also...you could quite easily take him out with a low level ranger(bring all spirits and watch him cast) a necromancer(bring all sacrifice skills and stand there and watch him suicide) and as a monk(run a 55 build)...I don't know how difficult it would be as a mesmer, ele, or warrior though

sledgeunderhill · Sep 28, 2005, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by Shattered Self

Actually, a necromancer could probably beat their doppelganger at fairly low levels if they stocked up on useless life sacrifice skills on the way there, especially if the mirror opens with Awaken the Blood & Demonic Flesh.

A good lineup would be:

Awaken the Blood
Demonic Flesh
Dark Aura
Dark Fury*
Offering of Blood*
Enfeebling Blood
Malaise

*skills that are difficult to acquire before fighting your mirror

When I ascended my necro, I carried much of the same list. Granted, the mirror did hurt themselves significantly with the sacrifice spells, I found that the best way to augment the killing was by bringing hex breaker and backfire. I cast hex breaker prior to entering the mission, and backfired the mirror immediately.

The mirror did eventually kill itself against backfire and sacrificing. However, it did not cast all the sacrificing skills in a chain, like I'd hoped. The fight lasted about 30-40 seconds, much longer than I'd wanted, meaning that I had to backfire again.

There are threads covering builds showing what works and doesn't work against the mirror.

eddycurrents · Sep 28, 2005, 09:16 PM // 21:16

When I ascended my necro a couple weeks ago I had a b*tch of a time, and I followed the standard advice of bringing all sacrifice spells, useless self buffs, and using backfire. I think they improved the AI, because the doppel barely used any spells and didn't use any buffs.

He always got his backfire off before me so I couldn't steal life back without killing myself. If I brought life siphon or vampire gaze he would use it first and kill me even faster. If I ran around he pegged me with his bow, even through walls.

What finally worked was backfire + chaos storm since the AI is too dumb to move out of it. Still, it took me several minutes and I barely survived because his bow outranged me and hit me through walls.

That mission is the stupidest of the lot IMO. There is no skill involved, you just have to find the right build that exploits the weaknesses of the AI: the AI is faster than you but too dumb to move out of AoE spells or hold off casting against backfire.

I thought of one other possibility: bring a sword and shield and slug it out toe-to-toe. Your shield should give you an armor advantage. I didn't have one to test this out though... and I think all high damage weapons have a mastery requirement so that wouldn't help anyone but warriors. So you are stuck with a low damage weapon and shield... ugh.

Arturo02 · Sep 29, 2005, 05:14 AM // 05:14

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Originally Posted by User Name

the doppelganger is not your mirror, he is your shadow.

also...you could quite easily take him out with a low level ranger(bring all spirits and watch him cast) a necromancer(bring all sacrifice skills and stand there and watch him suicide) and as a monk(run a 55 build)...I don't know how difficult it would be as a mesmer, ele, or warrior though

for ele it's not too hard. Put flare in #8 spot. Boost fire attribute to max. And make sure to add a rez and cap sig, two things they cant use. My secondary is necro so I put in well of blood and animate skills. I simply flared him to death.

Just one way of many.

Alone) · Sep 29, 2005, 05:18 AM // 05:18

Worth 7 levels.

Arturo02 · Sep 29, 2005, 05:25 AM // 05:25

Stop looking at me Alone!!!

Sep 28, 2005, 01:29 AM // 01:29	#1
Sbadboy85 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Dayton Oh Guild: The Black Blades [Bkbd] Profession: Mo/	Question About Ascending? When u ascend i know u go to 20 no matter what lvl u are but lets say your a lvl 1 your go to lvl 20 but will u get 20 skill points for going to 20?

Sep 28, 2005, 08:27 PM // 20:27	#14
Shattered Self Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: PvE Profession: N/	a necro could do it at low levels Actually, a necromancer could probably beat their doppelganger at fairly low levels if they stocked up on useless life sacrifice skills on the way there, especially if the mirror opens with Awaken the Blood & Demonic Flesh. A good lineup would be: Awaken the Blood Demonic Flesh Dark Aura Dark Fury* Offering of Blood* Enfeebling Blood Malaise *skills that are difficult to acquire before fighting your mirror

Sep 28, 2005, 01:51 AM // 01:51	#2
Wolvenbear Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: GMT -5 Guild: GBP	When you beat the doppleganger you get 50,000 exp as a mission reward. Most of the time this is enough for anyone not already lvl 20 to reach lvl 20. And yes, you'll get all the attribute/skill points for those levels. ....and no I really don't think a level 1-10 (even with Drok's armor) would survive. The dopple hits pretty hard.

Sep 28, 2005, 01:58 AM // 01:58	#3
Mavrik Forge Runner Join Date: May 2005 Location: Alaska	The dopple is your mirror, he uses what you use... I think (only beat him once) that he is at your lv to with the same states... I could be wrong. But yeah... most people are lv 15-18 by the time they hit the desert already though I do see (and was myself) lv 20 a bit to. And since 15000 exp is all thats needed to get a skill point after lv 20, thats 3 skill points for beating your mirror.

Sep 28, 2005, 02:10 AM // 02:10	#4
Beramee Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Location: Australia Guild: ALCO Profession: R/Mo	On my 4th char, I beat the dopple at lvl 10.. was hard but i did it, and he is lvl 20.. with same skills. you get 50,000 exp.. so I only went to lvl 16 :P

Sep 28, 2005, 02:15 AM // 02:15	#5
ttujc Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Council of Exiles [CX] Profession: Mo/	yeah, the only thing he mirrors is your skills. a lvl 1 would die in a single hit tho...

Sep 28, 2005, 01:44 PM // 13:44	#6
Claymore Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kingston, Ontario, Canada Profession: A/W	Yes he only mirrors your skills, he uses a bow for ranged attacks and usually a axe for melee, not really a mirror of your char more of a mirror of skills.

Sep 28, 2005, 06:25 PM // 18:25	#8
sledgeunderhill Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Gathering of Friends [GoF]	Additionally, as far as I can tell, the mirror somehow has enough attribute points to support full damage with a bow and with an axe, as well as a mimic of your own attribute point distribution. Not really a mirror IMHO.

Sep 28, 2005, 07:40 PM // 19:40	#12
melbo Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New York Profession: E/Mo	Oh, I forgot about the searing mission...good question!

Sep 28, 2005, 08:40 PM // 20:40	#15
User Name Banned Join Date: Sep 2005	the doppelganger is not your mirror, he is your shadow. also...you could quite easily take him out with a low level ranger(bring all spirits and watch him cast) a necromancer(bring all sacrifice skills and stand there and watch him suicide) and as a monk(run a 55 build)...I don't know how difficult it would be as a mesmer, ele, or warrior though

Sep 28, 2005, 09:16 PM // 21:16	#17
eddycurrents Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Dark Angel of Rising Chaos Profession: W/N	When I ascended my necro a couple weeks ago I had a b*tch of a time, and I followed the standard advice of bringing all sacrifice spells, useless self buffs, and using backfire. I think they improved the AI, because the doppel barely used any spells and didn't use any buffs. He always got his backfire off before me so I couldn't steal life back without killing myself. If I brought life siphon or vampire gaze he would use it first and kill me even faster. If I ran around he pegged me with his bow, even through walls. What finally worked was backfire + chaos storm since the AI is too dumb to move out of it. Still, it took me several minutes and I barely survived because his bow outranged me and hit me through walls. That mission is the stupidest of the lot IMO. There is no skill involved, you just have to find the right build that exploits the weaknesses of the AI: the AI is faster than you but too dumb to move out of AoE spells or hold off casting against backfire. I thought of one other possibility: bring a sword and shield and slug it out toe-to-toe. Your shield should give you an armor advantage. I didn't have one to test this out though... and I think all high damage weapons have a mastery requirement so that wouldn't help anyone but warriors. So you are stuck with a low damage weapon and shield... ugh.

Sep 29, 2005, 05:18 AM // 05:18	#19
Alone) Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Campbell, California Guild: Legio Imortalii Profession: W/Mo	Worth 7 levels.

Sep 29, 2005, 05:25 AM // 05:25	#20
Arturo02 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: See that third planet from the sun? Guild: Sacred Forge Knights Profession: R/Me	Stop looking at me Alone!!!